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Post by paulh on Jul 13, 2017 6:34:32 GMT -5
Just curious what you all think. Is it better to have a separate modem and router or does it really matter.
Also, is there any reason to not use a separate router along with a combo unit provided by you ISP.
Thank you, Paul
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Post by jholland1964 on Jul 13, 2017 7:30:38 GMT -5
Just curious what you all think. Is it better to have a separate modem and router or does it really matter. Also, is there any reason to not use a separate router along with a combo unit provided by you ISP. Thank you, Paul Personally I believe it does matter. I have only used separate units and my ISP does not offer a combined unit but I know that some do. Generally my recommendation is always get a standalone modem and a separate router. For one thing the routers included in these combo devices are often of lower quality than the standalone ones and also have less options for advanced wireless features. They also get less frequent firmware upgrades. Also if you want to upgrade one or the other you don't have to buy a whole new unit, you can buy one or the other and if one breaks you also only have to replace one of them. As I said, I have only used separate units but I know that to use another router with a combo unit requires special set up and not all separate routers are capable of doing that so you have to be sure to purchase one that is capable.
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Post by paulh on Jul 13, 2017 17:21:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the informative reply. This will settle a dispute I have been having with my brother.
Also, nice to see you here!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 19:36:24 GMT -5
Depends a lot on your ISP---Mind sold me a combo for the price I would pay for a separate router. The convenience is that there are less cables. My ISP is there to install firmware and trouble shoot it no charge, and no fees for maintaining it. They sold me one that is compatible with the equipment on there end.
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Post by jholland1964 on Jul 13, 2017 20:06:42 GMT -5
Depends a lot on your ISP---Mind sold me a combo for the price I would pay for a separate router. The convenience is that there are less cables. My ISP is there to install firmware and trouble shoot it no charge, and no fees for maintaining it. They sold me one that is compatible with the equipment on there end. Can I ask a question? Why would you need a combo unit, modem/router, when you said in your thread that you do not use wi-fi ? So you don't need a router. Why would you take the combo unit when it isn't needed? so you would have no need for a router.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2017 8:27:52 GMT -5
Depends a lot on your ISP---Mind sold me a combo for the price I would pay for a separate router. The convenience is that there are less cables. My ISP is there to install firmware and trouble shoot it no charge, and no fees for maintaining it. They sold me one that is compatible with the equipment on there end. Can I ask a question? Why would you need a combo unit, modem/router, when you said in your thread that you do not use wi-fi ? So you don't need a router. Why would you take the combo unit when it isn't needed? I use the Wi-Fi for my printer, Smart TV and Kindle ---Desktop is 2 feet from the modem so I use an Enternet Cable for that, more consistent speed. so you would have no need for a router.
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Post by jholland1964 on Jul 14, 2017 8:32:17 GMT -5
Thanks, just wondered why you would need a router and I understand why you'd need one. I still stand by my answer though. Separate routers are generally of a higher quality but for what you are using it for speed really isn't as much of an issue. Don't blame you for using direct ethernet hook up for the desktop, that is usually much faster and more reliable.
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Post by Paul D on Jul 14, 2017 18:13:32 GMT -5
Separate modems and routers are almost unobtainable here. Certainly no ISP that I know of supplies anything but combos, and very few if any retailers sell them. On the techy side of my desk I have one of my pair of external speakers, a two HD dock, a modem/router, a telephone extension handset, a printer, my laptop, two mice & pads and a tray full of thumb drives. I really don't need anything else. I should add my M/R is not ISP supplied. It is a somewhat up-market bought one, which drives my laptop, my wife's laptop in another room and our smart TV in yet another room quite adequately (ie no buffering on the TV) I won't even begin to talk about the mess of power cables under the desk, except to say everything is surge-protected.
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Post by Doc Sheldon on Jul 14, 2017 22:57:58 GMT -5
It's pretty much the same here, Paul... I haven't seen any ISP provide anything but combos for several years now.
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Post by jholland1964 on Jul 15, 2017 12:01:07 GMT -5
It's pretty much the same here, Paul... I haven't seen any ISP provide anything but combos for several years now. Here in U.S. there are some ISP's that provide nothing else but combined units, many also provide just the single modem and users supply their own routers. This is the case with my ISP. Some ISP's also allow users to provide their own modem, mine does not. Customers must use the modem supplied by them. It is also a rental not to be purchased. But they maintain it and service is excellent. I have had problems twice with the modem and they have given same day service and immediate replacement of modem. No additional charges. I am on my 2nd router in 7 years. I own it, cost me $25.00. When I decided to go to wi-fi I asked the service rep who had come to replace our lines and modem what router he would recommend and I followed his advice. Have never been sorry.
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Post by sirfredrico on Jul 16, 2017 22:35:50 GMT -5
Depends a lot on your ISP---Mind sold me a combo for the price I would pay for a separate router. The convenience is that there are less cables. My ISP is there to install firmware and trouble shoot it no charge, and no fees for maintaining it. They sold me one that is compatible with the equipment on there end. Can I ask a question? Why would you need a combo unit, modem/router, when you said in your thread that you do not use wi-fi ? So you don't need a router. Why would you take the combo unit when it isn't needed? now im curious. lol..... where does finn say he or she doesnt use wireless? was it in some other thread? so you would have no need for a router.
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Post by sirfredrico on Jul 16, 2017 22:43:57 GMT -5
Can I ask a question? Why would you need a combo unit, modem/router, when you said in your thread that you do not use wi-fi ? So you don't need a router. Why would you take the combo unit when it isn't needed? now im curious. lol..... where does finn say he or she doesnt use wireless? was it in some other thread? before, i had charter spectrum. they supplied a seperate modem and router and maintained them as well as any other problems. now i have at&t and the modem and router is combined, it fiber optic they say. but i only get a speed of 16. i have a friend that has fiber optic and he gets a speed of 100! why the big difference? you loose that much speed living in an appartment? so you would have no need for a router.
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Post by jholland1964 on Jul 16, 2017 22:46:05 GMT -5
Can I ask a question? Why would you need a combo unit, modem/router, when you said in your thread that you do not use wi-fi ? So you don't need a router. Why would you take the combo unit when it isn't needed? now im curious. lol..... where does finn say he or she doesnt use wireless? was it in some other thread? so you would have no need for a router. Read my post again. I very clearly I linked to his other thread Click on the blue words (which indicates it is a link) that say your thread. You will be taken to his other thread where he very clearly says he does not use Wi-Fi.
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Post by bigtoe on Jul 17, 2017 0:34:41 GMT -5
Sirfredrico [Q]now i have at&t and the modem and router is combined, it fiber optic they say. but i only get a speed of 16. i have a friend that has fiber optic and he gets a speed of 100! why the big difference? you loose that much speed living in an appartment?[/Q]
Speed on the fiber optic or any other type of cable is determined generally by what the user is paying their ISP for... In your friends case he is most probably paying for the faster 100 Mbps while you are paying for a lower/mid range download speed.... If you are paying for 100 Mbps download and not getting close to that you need to contact AT&T Uverse folks. As I recall on the WS forum you posted that you are getting what you pay for... Uverse does offer 100 Mbps in their fiber optic markets, but you have to pay for that extra speed....The market is competitive and some ISPs offer higher speeds at a cost similar to what others are paying their ISPs for lower download speeds....
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Post by sirfredrico on Jul 18, 2017 0:18:01 GMT -5
Read my post again. I very clearly I linked to his other thread Click on the blue words (which indicates it is a link) that say your thread. You will be taken to his other thread where he very clearly says he does not use Wi-Fi. i see that now, i clicked on that yesterday thinking it would be another post, but it didnt go to anything. glitch.
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Post by sirfredrico on Jul 18, 2017 0:25:53 GMT -5
Sirfredrico [Q]now i have at&t and the modem and router is combined, it fiber optic they say. but i only get a speed of 16. i have a friend that has fiber optic and he gets a speed of 100! why the big difference? you loose that much speed living in an appartment?[/Q] Speed on the fiber optic or any other type of cable is determined generally by what the user is paying their ISP for... In your friends case he is most probably paying for the faster 100 Mbps while you are paying for a lower/mid range download speed.... If you are paying for 100 Mbps download and not getting close to that you need to contact AT&T Uverse folks. As I recall on the WS forum you posted that you are getting what you pay for... Uverse does offer 100 Mbps in their fiber optic markets, but you have to pay for that extra speed....The market is competitive and some ISPs offer higher speeds at a cost similar to what others are paying their ISPs for lower download speeds.... he pays the standard rate for their internet. there is only one price for his, the company doesnt have a cheaper priced internet. i guess thats why his is $150 per month, and mine is only $40. in other words if he wanted cheaper internet at a lesser speed, he couldnt get it to have fiber optic, it is the only speed at a fixed rate...i suppose thats because his ISP only wants to collect the most $$$$ they can. its new hope phone and cable, the one i had a few years back, only i didnt have fiber optic as they didnt have it then.
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Post by paulh on Jul 21, 2017 12:42:02 GMT -5
My brother sent me this today
have another problem now. net gear modem will not work on my att internet because i have bonded lines and it is att uverse internet. i can't find one that will work. att is sending me a newer model but it is still a modem/router combination. they don't have a modem only product. the new one is a motorola/arris unit model number nvg599. don't know what to do except find a different internet provider or just use it and put my asus router away for future use.
Can anyone recommend a stand alone modem that will work in his case? He wants to go stand alone because of the very nice ASUS AC router he has.
Paul
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Post by jholland1964 on Jul 21, 2017 12:50:08 GMT -5
Before he goes to all the trouble and cost of purchasing his own modem he needs to check and see if that is even allowed by at&t u-verse. It is possible that is not allowed. Many ISP's do not allow users to use their own equipment and if he purchases a modem without checking first he could be wasting his money.
My ISP is one that does Not allow users to purchase their own modems, they must use the modems supplied by them. We can and do use our own router.
If at&t u-verse only offers the combo units then it is likely the only choice for him is put his router away or look for another provider.
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Post by nightowl on Jul 21, 2017 13:54:23 GMT -5
I have ATT U-VERSE, with an ARRIS NVG 510 modem. That is what ATT set me up with.
WI FI network name ATT 832.
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Post by jholland1964 on Jul 21, 2017 14:24:56 GMT -5
I have ATT U-VERSE, with an ARRIS NVG 510 modem. That is what ATT set me up with. WI FI network name ATT 832. nightowl what modem you have and the one paulh's brother has can be entirely different even though you are using the same company. Depends on geographical location as to what equipment you are given. I know my local office of the ISP provides one model of modem and the offices in other towns of the same ISP provide different models of the same brand modems.
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Post by paulh on Jul 21, 2017 18:56:52 GMT -5
Thank you Judy. I will pass this along to him.
Paul
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Post by paulh on Jul 25, 2017 5:10:06 GMT -5
A quick update. ATT updated his equipment with an AC modem/router combo so he is just going to use that and shelf his ASUS router. Since his service is ATT Uverse, the modem had to be for DSL and not cable.
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Post by jholland1964 on Jul 25, 2017 7:29:32 GMT -5
Thanks for letting us know. He should do just fine.
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