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Post by budgall on Oct 2, 2018 12:22:48 GMT -5
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Post by sozo777 on Oct 2, 2018 12:34:42 GMT -5
Thanks again!
This may seem like a simple foolish question..But what if your not running Windows 10? and are using Windows 7 lets say?! Microsoft did a little underhanded download when 10 was introduced and it messed up a lot of computers and peoples lives. As your aware it also cost them some money in lawsuits..Of coarse that was chump change for them.
Respectfully, Raphael
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Post by jholland1964 on Oct 2, 2018 12:44:55 GMT -5
Thanks again! This may seem like a simple foolish question..But what if your not running Windows 10? and are using Windows 7 lets say?! Microsoft did a little underhanded download when 10 was introduced and it messed up a lot of computers and peoples lives. As your aware it also cost them some money in lawsuits..Of coarse that was chump change for them. Respectfully, Raphael Not sure what or why you are asking this because this applies to Windows 10 ONLY not Windows 7.
Windows 7 Updates can easily be turned off and that has always been the case.
The default setting of course is automatically check for and download updates but there are two other options easily avialable;
Change the update settings to check for updates without downloading them until you're ready, so you are notified of updates available but you can take them when you wish or you can set it to never check for updates. Of course that can be very dangerous really and will put your entire computer at great security risk. |
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Post by sozo777 on Oct 2, 2018 12:54:25 GMT -5
Thanks Judy!
Just didn't want to move into Windows 10 quite yet. Been hesitant for some reason as there has been some rough edges to smooth out like with any newer version of Windows.
Didn't want an update or change the OS from 7 to 10. There was an app that prevented this from happening when Windows 10 first arrived in what seemed like a mysterious update.
Cheers
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Post by budgall on Oct 2, 2018 13:42:36 GMT -5
Judy I believe has answered your question regarding the update.
I tend to agree with you about Windows 10, I own and use multiple computers and Windows 10 is only installed on one rarely used computer, the rest of the computers in my house all happily run Windows 7. I also have a laptop computer that runs the fast track preview Windows beta releases. Maybe someday I'll switch to 10 but so far I have not any reason to.
Edit: KB 4458469 is currently downloading on my Win 10 computer, don't know if this is the October 2018 update or not as I have not seen any info regarding what the KB number of the update is.
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Post by sozo777 on Oct 2, 2018 13:50:53 GMT -5
Amen! Thank YOU!
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Post by budgall on Oct 2, 2018 14:01:14 GMT -5
KB 4458469 was not the October 2018 Update - It was just minor updates to change Build number from 17134.319 to 17134.320
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Post by jholland1964 on Oct 2, 2018 14:05:31 GMT -5
Judy I believe has answered your question regarding the update. I tend to agree with you about Windows 10, I own and use multiple computers and Windows 10 is only installed on one rarely used computer, the rest of the computers in my house all happily run Windows 7. I also have a laptop computer that runs the fast track preview Windows beta releases. Maybe someday I'll switch to 10 but so far I have not any reason to. Edit: KB 4458469 is currently downloading on my Win 10 computer, don't know if this is the October 2018 update or not as I have not seen any info regarding what the KB number of the update is. KB4458469 is the September 20 2018 update.
Whoops! budgall you beat me to it! You typed faster than I did!
I believe the Windows 10 update has been released today but of course that absolutely does NOT mean everybody will receive it today.
Now I have to put my "2 cents" in for Windows 10. I have used it for 2 1/2 years and LOVE it. I've had only minor trouble, no different than I had with Windows 7 or XP in the past. When I first got my Windows 10 computer I did have some difficulty navigating it because some things are different but that was the same as it was when I went from XP to 7. Once I got used to it then I've had no trouble using it and since I use it all the time I when I do have to use Windows 7, which I have on my travel computer, I find it somewhat irritating.
*Plus do have to say Raphael, you have continually knocked Windows 10 since it was released but you don't use it. So how can you knock something that you have never seen or used? You really cannot call Windows 10 new, it was released in July of 2015 so it is three years old.
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Post by bigbarney on Oct 2, 2018 14:32:33 GMT -5
I have to agree with Judy that Windows 10 is a great OS and has given me no trouble really since I started using it. To be honest, I use Classic Start which gives the appearance of Windows 7 because I don't like the 'tile' desktop which comes as standard with 10.
Apart from that, I have no issues at all.
I just updated both my wife's laptop and my desktop today with again no problems.
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Post by budgall on Oct 2, 2018 16:33:45 GMT -5
Just to be clear here, I never said I think Windows 10 was a bad operating system. I just don't like the useless and unneeded or unwanted apps Microsoft added the operating system. On the one computer that I do have it installed on I have seen multiple BSOD (at least 4-5 times per month). The BSOD error messages have shown multiple reasons for their appearance and do appear to be consistent, never have had the same error twice in a row. It seems like a random number generator selects the error of the day. I just have not attempted to seek out a solution to its problems. I do use the program Start is Back which is similar to Barneys Classic Start program to give Windows 10 that Windows 7 look & feel.
I am hoping that the October 2018 update will cure my Blue Screens, if not I will either do a operating system reset or a clean install sometime down the road.
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Post by jholland1964 on Oct 2, 2018 17:45:36 GMT -5
Hey, hey, hey budgall, I don't think either myself or bigbarney accused you of saying that Windows 10 was a bad operating system. If you think we did then please show us. We both just posted that WE like Windows 10.
Not sure what "useless apps" you are talking about cause there are no apps that you are required to enable. I don't have any enabled that I didn't choose to enable and those are very "few and far between" really. Just go to "Settings, Choose which apps can run in the background". Choose On or Off. I have three that I have turned on, all the rest are turned off, though I can use them if I wish.
You actually can uninstall many, if not most, of them though they use very little space. Some that I knew I would never use I uninstalled. Easy to do, Right click the Icon and if it can be Uninstalled you will see that word, click it and it is gone.
Unless all of yours are on and running in the background then it is doubtful they could be the cause of your BSOD's. I'm lucky I guess, I've never had a BSOD with Windows 10 so you have something going on that really should be looked into and tracked down. You said this computer is rarely used but you have BSOD's "at least 4-5 times per month". This is actually once a week, way too many. If these started from day one then obviously there is a major problem going on and I just don't think it could have anything to do with apps. If this was a brand new computer you should have contacted the mfgr immediately. Maybe it is just a bad computer and if so it would have BSOD's no matter what OS was installed.
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Post by budgall on Oct 2, 2018 18:57:02 GMT -5
I never even thought that you or BigBarney were accusing me of saying Windows 10 is a bad operating system. It's not.
I don't think I need to define "useless apps" as you reported that you only found three apps that you found useful and that you deactivated or uninstalled the rest. Why are they even installed? They take up disk space and use resources plus add bloat to the operating system. Microsoft in my opinion should have left them out of the operating system and left them in the Store so that the people that wanted them could download and install them.
For the record, I believe that I have turned off everything that I consider useless. I don't think the apps have anything to do with the BSOD, my gut feeling is I have a corrupted operating system file or two and that is the cause of the problem. I replaced a failing hard drive in the problem computer, it was shortly after that the problems started. Like I said earlier the plan is to see if the October 2018 update replaces the corrupt files, if not I'll do a reset or a clean install down the road.
Out of curiosity what apps did you find useful?
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Post by jholland1964 on Oct 2, 2018 19:29:45 GMT -5
Out of curiosity what apps did you find useful? Well, to each his own, but I use Weather, Calculator, Edge. I have some others but those are all turned off and don't run unless I turn them on.
Others I have uninstalled entirely like 3-D Builder, XBox, Get Started, Get Office, Contact Support, Mixed Reality Portal, Mixed Reality Viewer. I am sure there are others but I don't remember them. |
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Post by Everton on Oct 3, 2018 5:46:51 GMT -5
I have no problem with the built in apps and make sure they are not auto updating. However I do agree they should be downloaded as and when required and not preinstalled.
I use Edge, Skype, Calculator, Music, Calendar, Photos (highly recommend), Scan,MS Store, One Drive,Stpcky Notes, Tips, and I used to use Reader. All work well. On my laptop I also have Windows DVD player.
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Post by Everton on Oct 3, 2018 6:05:03 GMT -5
I have to agree with Judy that Windows 10 is a great OS and has given me no trouble really since I started using it. To be honest, I use Classic Start which gives the appearance of Windows 7 because I don't like the 'tile' desktop which comes as standard with 10.
Apart from that, I have no issues at all.
I just updated both my wife's laptop and my desktop today with again no problems.
Barney - you don't have to have a 'tile desktop' it is not standard with windows 10, it has to be turned on to tablet mode to have that. Normal mode has the tiles in the start menu and they can be changed to small size or removed. I have just 4 icons (not tiles) on my pc desktop and none on my laptop. Anything I need to access often I pin to the taskbar.
If you don't like any tiles at all on the start menu they are very easily removed.
The developer of Classic Shell stopped development in December 2017 and there is an open source replacement called Classic Start which is also known as Open Shell. github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-Start |
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Post by bigbarney on Oct 3, 2018 7:16:39 GMT -5
I have to agree with Judy that Windows 10 is a great OS and has given me no trouble really since I started using it. To be honest, I use Classic Start which gives the appearance of Windows 7 because I don't like the 'tile' desktop which comes as standard with 10.
Apart from that, I have no issues at all.
I just updated both my wife's laptop and my desktop today with again no problems.
Barney - you don't have to have a 'tile desktop' it is not standard with windows 10, it has to be turned on to tablet mode to have that. Normal mode has the tiles in the start menu and they can be changed to small size or removed. I have just 4 icons (not tiles) on my pc desktop and none on my laptop. Anything I need to access often I pin to the taskbar.
If you don't like any tiles at all on the start menu they are very easily removed.
The developer of Classic Shell stopped development in December 2017 and there is an open source replacement called Classic Start which is also known as Open Shell. github.com/passionate-coder/Classic-StartIt is Classic Start that I use. |
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Post by sozo777 on Oct 3, 2018 10:51:39 GMT -5
I have to agree with Judy that Windows 10 is a great OS and has given me no trouble really since I started using it. To be honest, I use Classic Start which gives the appearance of Windows 7 because I don't like the 'tile' desktop which comes as standard with 10.
Apart from that, I have no issues at all.
I just updated both my wife's laptop and my desktop today with again no problems.
Didn't you know I'm a wimp and resistant to change like all of us at one time or another. I have used Windows 10 on my brother's computer and he seems to like it quite well. But if he asks for my help I will nearly always have to ask him..where's this and where's that? As Judy said you need to become familiar with the newer/different system and its associated features. I don't believe there is any OS on this earth that doesn't have it's problems. Man is not perfect, so how can he or she makes anything perfect? It's impossible. Cheers!  |
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