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Nov 1, 2019 15:18:05 GMT -5
Post by jholland1964 on Nov 1, 2019 15:18:05 GMT -5
Have been watching the continually distressing news coverage of all of the fires in California. Know some members here live in California, budgall being one of them. Are these fires near you bud?
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Post by bigbarney on Nov 1, 2019 15:32:09 GMT -5
Have been watching the continually distressing news coverage of all of the fires in California. Know some members here live in California, budgall being one of them. Are these fires near you bud? And Mr Trump denies global warming!!! Seriously, hope everyone ok.
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Nov 1, 2019 15:35:18 GMT -5
Post by jholland1964 on Nov 1, 2019 15:35:18 GMT -5
And Mr Trump denies global warming!!! Hey, haven't you heard him say, that's a hoax? Oh Brother!
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Nov 1, 2019 17:28:37 GMT -5
Post by budgall on Nov 1, 2019 17:28:37 GMT -5
I live on an island between San Francisco and Oakland (Alameda, CA).
The big fires in Northern California are about a long hours drive from where I live. A couple of the smaller fires were closer and no where near as big as the ones you see in the news.Last Sunday morning I was watching the news on TV and one of the news channel helicopters was flying to the big fires to report on it. However, then encountered so much smoke in the air they had to abort their flight to the fires. On the way back they spotted a fire that ignited which was broadcast on the news live. In less than 15 minutes the fire went from a small fire (about 50 feet wide)to a complete hill side fire (multiple acres) and than jumped an 8 lane freeway to start another fire.
Today's noon news reported the major Northern California fires are about 65% contained and did not grow last night. They are projecting that they should be completely extinguished by next Wednesday or Thursday.
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Nov 1, 2019 19:53:17 GMT -5
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Post by Everton on Nov 1, 2019 19:53:17 GMT -5
We have friends living in Carmel valley village. I hope they are safe. I see there is major damage in Big Sur - my friend hikes there quite often. She was in garland ranch regional park a few days back I am not sure where that is. I have tried contacting her on Facebook but no response as yet. What we have seen tv is terrifying
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Nov 1, 2019 20:07:04 GMT -5
Post by jholland1964 on Nov 1, 2019 20:07:04 GMT -5
We have friends living in Carmel valley village. I hope they are safe. I see there is major damage in Big Sur - my friend hikes there quite often. She was in garland ranch regional park a few days back I am not sure where that is. I have tried contacting her on Facebook but no response as yet. What we have seen tv is terrifying It truly is terrifying for sure. Maybe your friend you tried to contact via FB doesn't have power, know they are turning it off to hopefully avoid causing fires.
My friend's son and family live just outside L.A. but so far they have not had fires but have had power turn offs. They said the air quality is horrible and they have great difficulty breathing if they are outside. Their daughter-in-law and one grandson have allergies so they are having big problems. Awful!
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Nov 1, 2019 22:30:46 GMT -5
Post by MrBill on Nov 1, 2019 22:30:46 GMT -5
Have been watching the continually distressing news coverage of all of the fires in California. Know some members here live in California, budgall being one of them. Are these fires near you bud? And Mr Trump denies global warming!!! Seriously, hope everyone ok. How many other states have these fires like this weekly? None. Lack of controlled burns is their problem.
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Nov 2, 2019 0:17:40 GMT -5
Post by budgall on Nov 2, 2019 0:17:40 GMT -5
Everton- No fires in Carmel Valley area to my knowledge
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Nov 2, 2019 0:26:57 GMT -5
Post by budgall on Nov 2, 2019 0:26:57 GMT -5
And Mr Trump denies global warming!!! Seriously, hope everyone ok. How many other states have these fires like this weekly? None. Lack of controlled burns is their problem.
The terrine in the areas of the fires is pretty rugged so it would be almost impossible to do controlled burns safely. The big problem in Northern California is that the power company (PGE - Pacific Gas & Electric) does not spend the money to maintain or clear the area around the power lines. They do however manage to find huge sums of money to pay executive bonuses and pay increases.
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Nov 2, 2019 1:12:22 GMT -5
Post by Everton on Nov 2, 2019 1:12:22 GMT -5
Everton - No fires in Carmel Valley area to my knowledge Thank you budgall. That is reassuring No sign of her since Tuesday
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Nov 2, 2019 5:02:42 GMT -5
Post by Everton on Nov 2, 2019 5:02:42 GMT -5
I have just now heard from my friends. They are quite safe and away from danger. Fires to north and south but far away. They had been busy preparing for a visit to NZ and they leave today
More on our tv tonight. Poor people.
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Nov 2, 2019 12:08:20 GMT -5
Post by MrBill on Nov 2, 2019 12:08:20 GMT -5
How many other states have these fires like this weekly? None. Lack of controlled burns is their problem.
The terrine in the areas of the fires is pretty rugged so it would be almost impossible to do controlled burns safely. The big problem in Northern California is that the power company (PGE - Pacific Gas & Electric) does not spend the money to maintain or clear the area around the power lines. They do however manage to find huge sums of money to pay executive bonuses and pay increases. Other states have mountains and terrine like this also and have no problems doing burns. This fire now going on was started by someone, not a company from what I have read. so have others
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Nov 2, 2019 13:51:06 GMT -5
Post by budgall on Nov 2, 2019 13:51:06 GMT -5
Other states have mountains and terrine like this also and have no problems doing burns. This fire now going on was started by someone, not a company from what I have read. so have others
Three of the fires in Northern California burning now were started by the power company lines failing which was captured by videos of the power lines sparking. One other fire was set by a person who has been captured and now in in jail awaiting prosecution. I am unaware of the causes of the Southern California fires.
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Post by bigtoe on Nov 3, 2019 22:23:19 GMT -5
The primary reason for the severity of the So Calif fires was the Santa Ana winds, gusting to 70 MPH, that blow into California deserts from the 4 corners states... The cold air increases in strength as it warms across the sandy deserts and then gains tornado like speeds as it goes over the coastal and Sierra Mountain ranges and travels 7-9,000 feet down hill from the mountains into the suburbs... the winds, couple with no or very low humidity, dry out the vegetation and any spark starts fires with embers being blown over a mile away to start more fires. Fortunately the 80+ degree (F) temps have cooled a little, the winds have died down dramatically and on shore ocean breezes have increased the humidity and allowed cooler nights. Most of the So Cal fires were started from sparks when tree branches or other items (even bald eagles) have shorted the high power wires of So Cal Edison or Los Angeles DWP causing sparks into brush, wind taking over and growing the fires at Amazing acreage per hour that burned the grasslands and farmlands that the cities and increasing population have creeped into.... thus so many tract or ranch homes were destroyed... fortunately just in the low hundreds of homes this time and not the thousands during recent past fires. Very minimal loss of human life this time, compared to previous fires, but so many farm animals were trapped and died from the rapidly spreading fires..... The Santa Ana winds are basically seasonal during OCT and NOV and into DEC, like the lake effect snows of winter in the Great Lakes area or the tornadoes of the MidWest and Eastern states... Praying they diminish and end soon. Unlike the rest of the country, the Southwest desert area of the USA gets much smaller amounts of rain normally during the winter/spring rain season... although last year we got heavy rains, causing extensive grassland and shrubbery growth which provided the fire energy this year.
The recent months of fires in California had limited involvement with forests and tree filled forest land, mostly occurring on agricultural and farm suburban lands... California has extensively used controlled burns where possible to cut back on grasslands in rural areas but those types of burns have lead to extensive fires in residential areas in past years when winds suddenly picked up and blow embers great distances. The current President of the USA displays his ignorance when he pouts that Calif needs to manage forests better.... only 3% forests owned by Calif, 57% owned by Federal govt, and 40% privately owned.... he threatens cutting back on fed funds to be used for control of forests, yet the Fed govt owns 57% of the forest land and they are responsible for caring for that land....duhhhh....
In addition to sparks from high power electrical transmission lines bringing electricity to the cities, some fires were started in very brushy river areas inhabited by a large vagrant population with their camp fires blowing out of control, a couple started by arsonists (again mentally ill homeless vagrants) and a couple in So Calif started from car crashes. A nearby rural and river bottom parks lands area fire which consumed a dozen homes and killed many animals was caused by a stolen car being chased by police after an early morning robbery at 1 AM wherein the 2 suspects crashed over curbs of center islands causing them to drive on rims throwing extensive sparks into the blowing winds, then crashing through a chain link fence at a ranch and setting the farm fields on fire and consuming a moderately sized community.....
I have several members of family (nephews, neices, cousins, uncle) working with county and stare fire agencies who have been working for more than a month with no days off, really looking forward to winter rains arriving and being able to get some days off to rest up and see their families again. The thoughts, prayers and concerns of so many on NWT forum are certainly appreciated by we Californians and those emergency responders who have been exhaustively trying to keep everyone safe.... THANKS
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