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Post by Paul D on May 29, 2019 19:15:16 GMT -5
Clearly I have not been spending enough time in forums.
I was under the impression that W10 updates happened automagically. Now I find that all three of our PCs are at version1803.
So:-
How do I go about triggering the updates?
Do I need to do 1809 or can I go direct to 1903?
If I go via USB (seems sensible with three machines to do), is a USB2 stick OK (I have several spares) or do I need USB3? (Australian sticks are expensive and start at 8gb)
I've downloaded both the Media Creation Tools (1809 and 1903) via MajorGeeks.
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Post by jholland1964 on May 29, 2019 19:33:44 GMT -5
Not sure why you would not have received 1809 because it was automatically released back in October. Have you checked for updates? This new one, 1903 DOES require that you are current on all updates but with it and for the first months, only users who explicitly visit Windows Update and click "Check for Updates" will be offered version 1903, and even then, they'll have to explicitly choose to download and install the update when it is offered to you. I personally have not yet had it offered. You should be able to receive it with only 1803 though I believe.
Here's a good link with a video with good information;
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Post by budgall on May 29, 2019 22:11:14 GMT -5
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Post by jholland1964 on May 29, 2019 22:20:40 GMT -5
Not really surprising just based on the number of members here who have not yet received 1809. I know we've had several in recent months who have not yet received it. Know that they had a very slow roll out of it and obviously this is still going on. Probably one reason that this 1903 update requires users to check for it rather than MS releasing it to automatic updates. |
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Post by bigtoe on Jun 1, 2019 22:58:07 GMT -5
MICROSOFT ISSUES SERIOUS WINDOWS 10 UPDATE WARNING ..... article in Forbes Magazine by Gordon Kelly .... www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/06/01/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-update-problem-warning-cost-windows-10-home/#142d60087fa7 .... A caution for Win 10 Home users...... A paragraph excerpt from the article: So Windows 10 Home users it’s time to study hard and spread the word if you don’t want to get caught out by the usual flurry of bad updates, including the one which deleted your personal data, the one which made Windows 10 downgrade itself, the one which broke app updates, the one which crippled gaming performance and the one which slowed Chromium browser speeds by up to 400%. Sometimes being the "turtle" in the race with the "hare" to be the first to get an update is really a good thing......  Not a specific response to Paul's post on update 1903, but something to consider if worried about being left out so far..... Microsoft is being very, very slow and deliberate about rolling out the 1903 update, having been "burned" seriously with rushed recent updates as noted in the paragraph posted above....
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Post by Everton on Jun 2, 2019 1:17:19 GMT -5
For the record I have successfully updated two windows 10 Home machines with no problems whatsoever (that I am aware of)
The downloads and installations went without a hitch. I used the Update Assistant because it was convenient for me to update now rather than later.
Being able to postpone updates for 7 days is perfectly adequate for me. Why would anyone wish to postpone for more than the maximum 35 days anyway ?
Forbes Magazine headline in my opinion is OTT and a bit scaremongerish. It seems to me they don’t like MS
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Post by jholland1964 on Jun 2, 2019 7:34:24 GMT -5
I have not yet received the update, and yes I am checking for it as MS has directed, but it has not yet been offered to me. That said, most of the reported issues HAVE already been resolved. Read this link from The Windows Club which spells out ALL of the issues and describes all of them thoroughly;
Please note the sentence at the very bottom of the article
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Post by bigtoe on Jun 2, 2019 15:12:18 GMT -5
As noted from Windows Central, Microsoft appears on the verge of resolving all their Windows 10 difficulties with a new operating system coming out soon, currently code named or named internally " Microsoft Core OS" .... likely to be announced in a couple of months..... www.windowscentral.com/what-microsofts-new-modern-os-all-about |
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Post by Everton on Jun 5, 2019 7:48:55 GMT -5
As noted from Windows Central, Microsoft appears on the verge of resolving all their Windows 10 difficulties with a new operating system coming out soon, currently code named or named internally " Microsoft Core OS" .... likely to be announced in a couple of months..... www.windowscentral.com/what-microsofts-new-modern-os-all-aboutVery interesting Bigtoe and something to contemplate - devices being the winners.
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Post by jholland1964 on Jun 5, 2019 14:57:41 GMT -5
I received the update today, after checking for it as MS recommended for this one. Took quite awhile to download, think my connection is slow today but it installed without trouble or problems.
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Post by Vera on Jun 9, 2019 18:16:58 GMT -5
Two days ago my husband’s laptop was notified of the update. I clicked on “download and install” and it started. About 2 or so hours later I read “Feature update to Windows 10, version 1903 failed. I tried 2 more times, same results. Error 0x80240034. I tried the troubleshooter but it could not help. Since the laptop works OK I think I should just leave it. What do you think
my own laptop updated without problems. His is an HP, mine Asus, both if the same age, early 2014.
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Post by Everton on Jun 9, 2019 19:58:37 GMT -5
Two days ago my husband’s laptop was notified of the update. I clicked on “download and install” and it started. About 2 or so hours later I read “Feature update to Windows 10, version 1903 failed. I tried 2 more times, same results. Error 0x80240034. I tried the troubleshooter but it could not help. Since the laptop works OK I think I should just leave it. What do you think my own laptop updated without problems. His is an HP, mine Asus, both if the same age, early 2014. Is it possible your internet connection failed ? If you used wifi you may try a wired connection instead. Did the error message identify whether it was the download or the installation that failed ? If you make another attempt be sure there are no extra peripherals attached - printer or any USB connected device and check there is no CD inserted. Any of these can cause problems. |
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Post by Vera on Jun 9, 2019 20:43:00 GMT -5
Thanks for your reply.
The laptop was plugged into power and at the second try all peripherals were disconnected. The error message did not identify whether it was download or installation. It just gave the error message number that I wrote.
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Post by budgall on Jun 10, 2019 0:50:32 GMT -5
Two days ago my husband’s laptop was notified of the update. I clicked on “download and install” and it started. About 2 or so hours later I read “Feature update to Windows 10, version 1903 failed. I tried 2 more times, same results. Error 0x80240034. I tried the troubleshooter but it could not help. Since the laptop works OK I think I should just leave it. What do you think my own laptop updated without problems. His is an HP, mine Asus, both if the same age, early 2014. Check this link to the Windows Club - it has possible fixes. If you have USB devices connected remove them during the Windows update. I have seen reports they may cause the update to fail. www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-update-failed-install-error-0x80240034 |
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Post by bigbarney on Jun 11, 2019 8:56:00 GMT -5
2 out of four computers updated to 1903 without any apparent problems. Still 2 laptops to do.
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Post by jerrypc1 on Jun 11, 2019 19:14:00 GMT -5
Both my computers updated to 1903 without any problems yesterday and they are still doing great
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Post by bigbarney on Jun 13, 2019 3:31:30 GMT -5
 I've had 4 quality updates since the 1903 update. |
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Post by jholland1964 on Jun 13, 2019 7:02:22 GMT -5
I've had 4 quality updates since the 1903 update. As have of the rest of us who have received 1903. If you note 2 of those are updates for the Adobe Flash player and another is for Net. Framework. I also received those on my Windows 7 travel computer. The first Adobe Flash player update and the Net Framework updates were released June 5th and the second Adobe update was released on the 11th.
There really is only one that is specific to 1903 and that is the one released on June 11th. |
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Post by Everton on Jun 13, 2019 7:20:25 GMT -5
Thanks for your reply. The laptop was plugged into power and at the second try all peripherals were disconnected. The error message did not identify whether it was download or installation. It just gave the error message number that I wrote. Vera, did you attempt any of the possible fixes in the windowsclub link budgall gave ?
Do you have 'Metered Connection' turned on in your network settings? If so that should be turned off. Restart after disabling it.
Is there enough free space to download and install 1903 ? 32GB free on the system drive is recommended..(you can run 'Storage Sense' if you need to free up space, just type it in the search box and it will open in Settings for you)
The download size is between 2GB-4GB so if your connection is slow it could take a long time (Mine did !)
Try running the Windows Update Troubleshooter again and be sure to restart before attempting the download again.
Sometimes 3rd party antivirus or a firewall can prevent an update so that is a consideration as well.
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Post by jholland1964 on Jun 13, 2019 8:03:27 GMT -5
Thanks for your reply. The laptop was plugged into power and at the second try all peripherals were disconnected. The error message did not identify whether it was download or installation. It just gave the error message number that I wrote. Clear something up for me, you say the laptop was plugged into power but you do NOT say it was plugged into the internet with an ethernet cable. Everton said, "Is it possible your internet connection failed ? If you used wifi you may try a wired connection instead." She was NOT referring to electrical power but your internet connection, though because the update is very large you should keep it plugged into the electrical too until the update is complete.
Also as Everton asked, "did you attempt any of the possible fixes in the windowsclub link budgall gave ?" You should try them ALL.
You can also do as Everton suggested and linked to, the Windows 10 Update Assistant.
Vera, you have been back here multiple times in the three days since budgall gave you suggestions with the link to the Windows Club suggestions but you never bothered to respond. People truly can offer nothing else unless you are willing to try the suggestions given and then report the results of those attempts.
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Post by jholland1964 on Jun 13, 2019 9:03:16 GMT -5
The number 1 cause of Error 0x80240034
IS Internet connection interruption or slowing of the connection. Use an ethernet cable for direct connection as Everton suggested.
The 2nd most common cause is Microsoft Update server error or over utilization. You say you tried two more times with same results. Two more times immediately or on different days? Over utilization means being used too much or in this case too many people trying to download the update.
Try another time of day, late at night or early in the morning but not the middle of the day and on a different day.
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Post by Paul D on Jun 13, 2019 12:39:44 GMT -5
All things come to those who wait! Overnight Microsoft updated me from winver 1803 build 17134.706 to winver 1803 build 17134.829. My excitement is unbounded!
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Post by jholland1964 on Jun 13, 2019 12:46:34 GMT -5
All things come to those who wait! Overnight Microsoft updated me from winver 1803 build 17134.706 to winver 1803 build 17134.829. My excitement is unbounded! Well even though you still are two versions behind, 1809 to 1903 and more than two builds behind, 17134/829 to current build 18362.175, you now do know for sure that your Windows Update does indeed work. Now you might go ahead and try on checking for additional updates because this most recent version, 1903, is available only if you manually check for updates. |
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Post by Vera on Jun 13, 2019 20:05:15 GMT -5
Thanks for your reply. The laptop was plugged into power and at the second try all peripherals were disconnected. The error message did not identify whether it was download or installation. It just gave the error message number that I wrote. Clear something up for me, you say the laptop was plugged into power but you do NOT say it was plugged into the internet with an ethernet cable. Everton said, "Is it possible your internet connection failed ? If you used wifi you may try a wired connection instead." She was NOT referring to electrical power but your internet connection, though because the update is very large you should keep it plugged into the electrical too until the update is complete.
Also as Everton asked, "did you attempt any of the possible fixes in the windowsclub link budgall gave ?" You should try them ALL.
You can also do as Everton suggested and linked to, the Windows 10 Update Assistant.
Vera, you have been back here multiple times in the three days since budgall gave you suggestions with the link to the Windows Club suggestions but you never bothered to respond. People truly can offer nothing else unless you are willing to try the suggestions given and then report the results of those attempts.
I tried all the suggestions that I felt I was competent to do, but so far nothing helped. My husband uses his computer often so I have to wait before I can use it. Most of the time you see me back I am using my iPad hoping to find more suggestions. I would hate to wreck his computer so I decided to wait. I used the troubleshooter several times without results.
Thanks
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Post by jholland1964 on Jun 13, 2019 20:13:50 GMT -5
You have given us virtually no information. Saying, you tried all the suggestions you felt competent to do tells us absolutely nothing. It is very simple to at least give a list, but you didn't even do that.
The fact that you used the the troubleshooter a number of times also is useless. Once is enough. If it doesn't find the answer it isn't suddenly going to find it.
The questions I asked was very simple yet you didn't bother to answer it.
We can offer no more suggestions unless we get real answers. |
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Post by Everton on Jun 13, 2019 22:22:50 GMT -5
Vera, there are other suggestions but it is not practical to give them until it is known what you have already tried. I suggested another attempt at the Troubleshooter in case you had not done a "Restart" after the first one. Restart is different to shutting down and booting up again in Windows 10, and it is important to differentiate. That is why during an update we are told to press the Restart button and not shut down. Multiple attempts at the troubleshooter are not necessary, as already mentioned.
Until you say whether you have attempted the download via a wired (ethernet) connection, whether there is sufficient space on the machine to do the update, and if you have tried disabling any 3rd party anti-virus (the built-in one will kick in) and firewall, further suggestions would be pointless. We also do not know if you have a metered connection. Any one of these suggestions could be a simple remedy.
I can understand your fear of damaging the machine but none of these would.
Make sure the computer time is set correctly as well (by setting the time and time zone to automatic)
These possible reasons need to be eliminated before progressing further.
The Error code you were given is definitely an indication that the download was interrupted. That could be because of a connection failure, a failure by the download servers, or something installed or configured on the computer that is preventing its continuance. Waiting and attempting it at a later date is fine if it was a connection or server breakdown. Anything within the machine would continue to be a problem until it is corrected.
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Post by Vera on Jun 14, 2019 20:30:51 GMT -5
Hmmm, I wrote a post earlier today but it is not here, so here goes again. The update is now securely on my husbands laptop. It took about 2 hours last night at which time it got stuck and would not move further. It was late so I just shut the computer off not caring any longer. Started it this morning again and after about 4 + hours it was finished and working great. Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
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Post by Paul D on Jun 14, 2019 20:37:04 GMT -5
All things come to those who wait! Overnight Microsoft updated me from winver 1803 build 17134.706 to winver 1803 build 17134.829. My excitement is unbounded! Well even though you still are two versions behind, 1809 to 1903 and more than two builds behind, 17134/829 to current build 18362.175, you now do know for sure that your Windows Update does indeed work. Now you might go ahead and try on checking for additional updates because this most recent version, 1903, is available only if you manually check for updates. Sigh. After the 1803 update I wwas offered 1903, but the timing wasn't convenient so I backed out. Now I'm no longer being offered it. I think the desktop is struggling because I have an old Office 2003 update which keeps trying to install and fails, and that seems to be confusing the Windows Update process. I've just been offered it on the laptop and have kicked it off there. |
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Post by jholland1964 on Jun 14, 2019 20:45:24 GMT -5
With 1903 it gives the opportunity to delay for seven days, that is likely what is going on. Office 2003 is not compatible with Windows 10. You should uninstall it. Office 2007 and later work without issue on Windows 10
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Post by Paul D on Jun 14, 2019 23:08:43 GMT -5
If I uninstall Office 2003 it'll be for LibreOffice (which is already installed), not one of Microsoft's exorbitantly priced products.
Having said that, what would be a good replacement for Outlook, which will allow me to keep my absurdly large collection of saved emails?
The 1903 update appears to be running OK on the laptop.
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